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So, basically, what the point is that we're coming to understand is that there is no material self in the body made of some molecules or chemicals or whatever, okay? Now the materialists have concluded, therefore, since there's only one energy and there is no material self, there is no material being in the body, somewhere looking out, they have concluded that therefore, there is no self at all. They are the no-self philosophers, okay? But it's so absurd, how can we accept this, you see?