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There was an interesting statement by Dr. Penfield. Dr. Wilder Penfield was not an ordinary materialistic scientist. He… his point, he was a neurologist, neurosurgeon. He probably did more experimenting on the brain than any person in history: live patients, live human patients. So, he ultimately came to conclude at the end of his work, at the end of his life he concluded that the brain is not the controller, that the brain is like a computer. That the mind, he's calling the mind… he's saying that the mind uses. Instead of saying self, he's saying mind. So he's saying the mind, which is really you, uses this computer the brain, okay? So he wasn't identifying the person with the brain, okay? He wasn't identifying the mind with the brain. But even Penfield did not understand. Even Penfield's understanding was not perfect.